Friday, November 6, 2015

Bourge and Prole

How did the bourgeois get where they are? For at some point, not all persons who are now bourgeois had the money and the resources that they currently possess! Such a position can potentially be inherited, true; but, what is the path which made it possible before the vicious cycle was established to keep it alive? Or, then again, is it even possible for them to have their status as bourgeois at all without the influence of capitalism--capitalism which can be seen as essentially inventing simultaneously the bourgeois and the system necessary to keep that position alive? Otherwise, the question seems to me like a "chicken-or-the-egg" conundrum, and I can't figure out which is which! At some point, true, persons like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs got their start that led to their future positions--however, they got that start within an already-established capitalistic system! I wonder what it would look like for individuals with similar capacities for what, in the world of capitalism, manifests itself as successful entrepreneurship--those traits such as creativity and a willingness to try new ways of doing things (and, ideally, a desire ultimately to improve peoples' lives!)--to reach their fullest potential in a marxist sense? In what ways would operating within a marxist system develop and display such attributes?

As another point, within the issue of the proletarian rebellion (and, ultimately, dictatorship), as best as I can understand, one hurdle for why people will not stand together for a cause... Is the fact that we do not expect everybody to cooperate for that effort. Now, when I say "everybody," I mean, among the proletariats, to include all of the persons who otherwise would be willing to go along with the system, and otherwise would effectively thwart any nascent strikes by filling in the abandoned positions of the rebelling workers. If well and truly everybody comprising the proletariats would indeed band together, it is difficult to imagine their onslaught not prevailing. "But the bourgeois have people who will stand up against--" No. Those people, by definition, are proletariats, and I mean if ALL the proletariats rebel: how then is it conceivable that a scant handful of individuals, with no-one else cooperating to carry out their whims and enforce their system, can possibly resist the revolution?

In light of that thought, I include this link... This clip is one that I always think of when the question of an oppressed majority arises; I believe it sums up things absolutely perfectly--and I would absolutely love to know other persons' reactions to it!



Edit--in case anyone is unable to view the video, I've typed in the most-relevant lines:

[Context: the grasshoppers are debating whether they need to reassert their position over the subjugated ants, who supply them with food.]

Hopper: You let one ant stand up to us, then they all might stand up. Those "puny little ants" outnumber us a hundred to one, and if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life! It's not about food: it's about keeping those ants in line. That's why we're going back!

5 comments:

  1. I loved your video. The comparison between Hopper and the bourgeois is very accurate. The system of Capitalism makes sure to keep everyone in line and make them believe that they are unable to escape this system. Certainly it is difficult to understand exactly how each came to be (the chicken and the egg), but we can assume, as in all societies, it never takes long for the strong to prey on the weak. Those with money knew that they could exploit those without money and used this to their advantage. In this way, the classes were split. I also agree with the idea that it is incredibly difficult to rise up against the bourgeois. It is frustrating that we live in a corrupt system and are unable to do anything but continue feeding into it. There will always be a worker more desperate than we are. Capitalism will only fall with a lot of sacrifice and bravery from the proletariat. At this point, I don't think we will see that. We live in a world very content staring at screens all day and not asking large, frightening questions. One day, this system will change, but I don't believe we will see this change anytime soon.

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  2. I believe the video you included was a very good example of how the bourgeoisie-proletariat relationship works in capitalism today. The video brought up a very important point: that the bourgeoisie are few in number and once one proletariat rebels then the potential for the bourgeoisie to lose their power increases. Maybe the whole point of capitalism is to maintain control. After considering the grasshoppers’ goal to control the ants, I thought about last week’s discussion of Nietzsche’s slave revolt in morality. In the case of the video, the grasshoppers are physically stronger than the ants, but when working together, the ants could overpower them; however, ants also have their strength in numbers and their tactful ability to acquire a large amount of food in a short time. So, if you think about it, without the proletariats, the bourgeoisie can’t have their fortune—or in the case of the grasshoppers, their food supply. The roles can easily be reversed or equality demanded if all could agree to work together in society and give reasonably for their labor.

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  3. I enjoyed the video. The video relates to Marx's idea of the bourgeoisie and proletariat split of society. I believe the reason that the proletariat do not revolt is because they are scared to be in power of production. However, the proletariat will eventually make its way to that stage in Marx's idea. When it does, the last stage of his philosophy will come true which will be a communist society. It scares me, but if the proletariat are in power then I think we will live in fairer and equal society.

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  5. I'm so glad you included the video because that is absolutely one of my favorite movies and I never really thought about how Hooper represented a very bourgeoisie-proletariat power system in capitalistic societies. He refers to how an "ant" disrespected him and this could mean if that if one ant stands up to them then they all might stand up to them. This is shown in capitalistic societies countless times, because without the support of the a very large population of people, there would be no bourgeoisie in power. The people are ultimately the ones who place these people in power and suffer the consequences.

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